All sciencey 'n stuff

A while back, I posted links to articles about ivermectin and EXO-CD24 as potential treatments for the Wu-flu. Previously I had posted links to articles on HCQ/Zn, famotidine, REGEN-COV, and some others. And I doubted the inerrancy of the government health bureaucracy.


I have, you see, a curiosity about such things. I seek no bureaucrat's approval of this curiosity.


On Farcebook, I received from a certain expected corner these (paraphrased) responses:

  • IVERMECTIN IS FOR HORSES, NOT PEOPLE!

  • POISON CONTROL HOTLINES AND ICUs ARE OVERLOADED WITH IVERMECTIN OVERDOSES!

  • PEOPLE WHO AVOID VACCINES AND DIE ARE GUILTY OF STUPICIDE!

  • MY MOM DIED A LONG TIME AGO BECAUSE SHE CHOSE PRAYER OVER AN INHALER! THAT'S "STUPICIDE!" RELIGION IS STUPID! THIS IS THE SAME THING!

  • YOU'RE A SCIENCE DENIER!

I suppose there are ways to engage in reasonable discussions of these topics, but a) not on Farcebook, and b) not with people who willfully distort, deny, or ignore what you've said.


The "horse paste" line is linked to actual cases in which some people have gone to farm supply stores, bought livestock de-worming products with ivermectin in them, and self-medicated against COVID. This is not a smart thing to do. But for the FDA and its devotees to pretend that that's the only issue with ivermectin is mendacious in the extreme.


And it's not just them. Recent articles about podcaster Joe Rogan's experience with using a cocktail that included ivermectin and monoclonal antibodies (like REGEN-COV) to quickly recover from a bout of COVID focused on the horse-paste angle and the FDA's objection to it, rather than on the worldwide, long-term use of it to treat parasitic infections in humans.


This article also focuses on Rogan's advice to young people ("like, 21 years old") against taking the vaccine, even though he also said in the same show that he thought the vaccines were safe.


These articles and Farcebook comments/memes all fail to mention, not just the human formulation and use, but the fact that scientists have over the years remarked on its anti-viral qualities and safety. They fail to mention the studies that have been conducted and published on its use in COVID treatment during this pandemic. And they certainly fail to inquire as to whether the people who take the "horse paste" do so because they know the FDA has come out against ivermectin and will therefore not be able to get it from their doctor or hospital. (Lot of DIY-ers in this country.) My guess is, if they could get the human formulation over the counter or from their doctor, they would.


I have not advocated using horse-paste ivermectin as a COVID treatment. (I haven't even advocated using ivermectin as a COVID treatment; I've just shown an interest in the studies into it.) I have not advocated prayer instead of medicine. I have not advised against getting the vaccine. (I got it, myself.) I did, however, say that an effective treatment would lessen the "need" for a vaccine, and certainly for coercive vaccine passports and the like, which I think is an objectively true statement.


I made the point that when the health bureaucracy and its Big Med/Pharma cohort work to deny people alternative remedies, and instead insist on the approved remedies that are objectively not working, then they may as well be telling family members, "Well, at least mom's death had FDA approval."


One commenter said that's wrong because of the FDA's "compassionate use" authority, to which also can be added "right to try" acts in individual state laws, which override the FDA and leave such decisions to doctors. What this ignores, and willfully so in my opinion, is how the highly regulated business of doctors and hospitals uses the FDA as a liability shield. If it were so easy for people to get their doctor to prescribe ivermectin, let's say, then they wouldn't have to go to court and get a judge to force the issue. Doctors use the FDA to protect themselves and will rely on FDA-approved treatments--even when they objectively do not work and the outcome is the patient dying.


To point this out is not to deny that the FDA has a reasonable role to play. And it does not make anyone a "science denier."


But what does it make you when you make some claim about hospitals in Oklahoma being overrun with ivermectin overdoses, and then this news comes out? Still think you're the guy who's all science-y? Of course you do.


Because that's just how you self-identify.


UPDATE: And here is what it looks like when the fake news goes viral. I have no expectation that the correction will go so viral. In fact, "correction" might be a little misleading for what's needed in this case. Retraction with heartfelt apology would be better. And getting suspended from their beloved social media platforms would be best (well, getting locked in the stocks in the town square would be best), but none of that will happen.



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